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So did I. I have only voted once before and wasn’t even sure whether to circle the number of the choice I wanted, or to tick or put a cross – they must have been shocked I didn’t know what to do!!!!
As real conservative say: I would never presume to advise HM on her choice of ministers, but one can make an exception for the local elections, where councillors are not picked by HM.
I had two votes, but there was only one UKIP candidate. So I voted only once.
After your petty and narrow comments about Margaret Thatcher I had almost despaired of you. Maybe you aren’t a complete fool afterall.
God bless you Sean.
Good man, the labour man came round, took one look at me did’nt bother
comming up the drive, I wouldn’t vote for the bastards anyway.
A very foolish thing to do. If UKIP gain power we lose the rights of freedom of movement of labour and residence in our European homeland and we would cease to be European citizens. I didn’t have you pegged as a Colonel Sibthorp and am very disappointed. The root sentiment, the residue on which you acted is the same old English belligerence, and the belief that we English are God’s chosen people.
I am waiting for the results very patiently, I want to see a change in the corrupted sea of bluse where i live, these shit people and their coutrs have got to go, they have remained to powerfull here for 60 years, they have killed demcracy, and replaced it with something evil, a network of evil control over everything. That bloody tent was up again today at the hosptail, and a new anouncement of a further four deaths to be investigated on account of ambulance delay’s, the tent has become a bad omen, on voting day surely this at least will create a few splashes in the water, there can be no democracy where one party controls everything in a county, no justice, no civil rights. I hope in the morning the map will look different, Ukip should do well, who cares about Europe or the EU they do not care about us, the English can beleive what we like, because we are english, anything is better than we have at the moment even a concentration camp would be one up on smiths idea of the way people should live.
PAUL ROWLANDSON SAID:-
“”paulrowlandson | 2 May, 2013 at 11:24 pm | | Edit
A very foolish thing to do. If UKIP gain power we lose the rights of freedom of movement of labour and residence in our European homeland and we would cease to be European citizens. I didn’t have you pegged as a Colonel Sibthorp and am very disappointed. The root sentiment, the residue on which you acted is the same old English belligerence, and the belief that we English are God’s chosen people.””
Paul, Paul, Paul, old fellow, keep your hair on.
This is either a wind-up, which I hope, or else you like the EU form some reason. I therefore hope, as God’s Trousers are my witness, that it’s a wind-up.
If it’s not and you are being straight-faced, that I say this:-
(1) There’s no “European Homeland”. This is a socialistNazi construct, designed to achive what used to be called a “Reich” – and for which there is no real English translation, but means, sort of – “Enclosed Area”. Do you want to be inside that, or outside?
(2) Since there is no country of “Europe”, nobody is a “Eurpoean Citizen”.
(3) Who is Col. Sibthorp? I don’t think we know him.
(4) The English actually are God’s Chosen People. You see, the socialists tried to kill all the Jews, they really did have a good go at it. And they almost succeeded but not quite – even applying high-level science and bureaucratic-enarque-dreived-management-techniques to the task. This shows that socialists are not on God’s side (but we all know that anyway, don’t we? If not, we should.) In the meantime we have taken over the Flag, and are holding it up for the Jews, in the Face Of The Enemy, until they can rise again and spit on their hands, draw their bloodied swordpoints out of the reddened mudall around us both, and carry on hewing.
I hope it’s a wind-up, Paul….trouble is, after long struggles, you tend to get like the enemy you fight. Humourless.
I sometimes have to kick myself back into laughing at stuff, too.
I see my vote was of some use here in Kent. Partly thanks to me, UKIP is now the official opposition in the county.
My actual ward was held by the Lib Dems – although UKIP came second. The ward next door was taken by UKIP.
Here is the DNB entry on Colonel Sibthorp – a man of clear and uncompromising vision:
SIBTHORP, CHARLES DE LAET WALDO (1783-1855), colonel of militia and politician, second son of Colonel Humphry Waldo Sibthorp (1744-1 815), of an old family long connected with Lincoln, by Susannah, daughter of Richard Ellison of Thome in Yorkshire, and Sudbrooke Holme in Lincolnshire, was born on 14 Feb. 1783. Dr. Humphry Sibthorp (1718-1797) was his grandfather [see under Sibthorp, John], and Richard Waldo Sibthorp [q. v.] was his brother.
Charles entered the army at an early age, was a captain, first in the Scots Greys, and then in the 4th dragoon guards, and served with the latter regiment in the Peninsular war. On the death of his eldest brother, Coningsby, in 1822, he succeeded to the family estates, and was elected, in 1826, member of parliament for Lincoln, a borough which had been represented before him successively by his brother, his father, his great-uncle, and the latter’s father. He was colonel of the South Lincoln militia, as his father and great-uncle had been before him, and was a deputy-lieutenant and a magistrate for the county. Except for a brief interval in 1833 and 1834, when Sir Edward Bulwer ousted him by a small majority. Colonel Sibthorp continued until his death to be re-elected for Lincoln, on personal rather than on political grounds, and often without opposition.
In parliament he belonged to the ultra-tory and ultra-protestant party, and was the embodiment of old-fashioned prejudice. Partly by his uncompromising opinions, partly by his blunt expressions, and partly by an eccentricity that did less than justice to his real abilities, he made himself for many years rather a notorious than a respected figure in political life. His appearance was extraordinary and was frequently caricatured, and his dress attracted attention. His delivery was rambling and uncouth (Fitzpatrick, Correspondence of O’Connell, ii. 180). His speeches were frequently witty and polished, though he had received little regular education, but they were too often personal and violent [see Russell, John first Earl Russell]. He made furious attacks on Peel’s change of front on corn-law question (e.g. Hansard, lxxxiii. 310). He opposed in all their stages the Catholic Emancipation Bill and the Reform Bill, and was one of the last opponents of free trade. The ‘Chandos’ clause of the Reform Bill, which gave the vote to 50l. occupiers in counties, really originated with him, and his annoyance was great when it was actually moved by Lord Chandos instead of by himself. The provision (§ 36) in the act to make better provision for the residence of the clergy (1 and 2 Vict. c. 100), hich enabled widows of deceased incumbents to retain possession of the parsonage-house for two months after the incumbent’s death, also was strongly supported by him. He opposed the ministerial proposal for a grant of 60,000l. per annum to Prince Albert on 27 Jan. 1840, largely from dislike of foreign influences, and it was his amendment for its reduction to 30,000l. which, with the support of Peel, was eventually carried. He denounced the exhibition of 1851 for the same reason, and was unwearied in his opposition to the expansion of the Roman catholic church in England. His feelings on this subject were intensified by the conversion of his brother Richard Waldo to the church of Rome in 1841.
Sibthorp died at his house in Eaton Square, London, on 14 Dec. 1855, and was buried at Canwick, near Lincoln. He married, in 1812, Maria, daughter and coheiress of Ponsonby Tottenham of Clifton and of county Wexford, long M.P. for Fethard in the Irish parliament, by whom he had four sons; the eldest, Gervaise Tottenham Waldo Sibthorp (1815-1861), was M.P. for Lincoln.
[Gent. Mag. 1856, i. 84: Martin’s Life of the Prince Cousort, i. 69; Memoirs of an Ex-Minister. Lord Malmesbury, i. III, 258; Times, 17 Dec. 1855; McCarthy’s History of Our Own Times, ii. 109; Fraser’s Mag. xxxvi. 462.]
And here is a biased and not wholly accurate BBC article:
Colonel Charles de Laet Waldo Sibthorp MP – A Most Unconventional Conventionalist
Colonel Charles de Laet Waldo Sibthorp MP was a man of uncompromising principles who confounded a Queen, opposed all progress and took xenophobia to new heights. He was a most unconventional conventionalist. In an age before mass communication, he fought to preserve one corner of Empire against the most surprising of foes.
The Rough And Tumble Of Politics
Born in 1777 into an ancient and wealthy family of landowners, Sibthorp never really became known to the wider public until 1826, when he stood as a candidate in the Parliamentary elections for the constituency of Lincoln. Although a well-known figure locally, no-one had ever heard him offer an opinion on politics. At the first hustings, a large crowd were drawn to hear exactly what this flamboyant character had to say.
Unfortunately when his turn to speak came, Sibthorp was busy being unconscious, having been felled by a missile thrown from the crowd as he stood from his chair.
An Opponent Of Change
It was left to the press to ascertain his political leanings and a few days later he gave an interview. Asked how he intended to represent Lincoln and his views on Parliamentary reform, Sibthorp replied ‘On no account would I sanction any attempts to subvert that glorious fabric, our matchless Constitution, by any new-fangled schemes which interested or deluded parties might bring forward, and those who expect advantages from such notions will find their visions go like a vapour and vanish into nothing.’
A Conservative then. Obviously this appealed to the electorate as he was duly elected and served as MP for Lincoln until his death in 1855.
Humbug
The first half of the 19th Century was a time of dizzying technological and social change and Sibthorp was singularly ill-equipped to deal with it. He persisted in dressing in the Regency style, with antique quizzing glasses and top-boots. Whenever anything he disapproved of was brought up in the House of Commons, typically being anything he deemed new or foreign, his loud calls of ‘Humbug’ brought chuckles from the assembled members.
The British Love A Character
Although somewhat gruff, the British people always displayed a fondness for Sibthorp, perhaps enjoying his eccentricities or possibly because he gave a voice to opinions which they secretly shared. He despised all foreigners and never missed an opportunity to denounce anyone he considered not British.
Standing Against A Queen
On the eve of Queen Victoria’s marriage to Prince Albert, a motion to grant the Prince Consort an annual allowance of £50,000 was being debated in the Commons. Sibthorp opposed it, on the grounds that £30,000 was quite enough for a foreign Prince. Normally, this would be ignored and his cries of ‘Humbug’ would ensue but Sir Robert Peel, seeing a chance to defeat the Government, supported Sibthorp and the motion was unexpectedly carried. Queen Victoria was infuriated and swore never to visit Lincoln while Sibthorp remained MP. She was true to her word.
Nefarious Plots And The Crystal Palace
Prince Albert of course was the prime supporter of the Great Exhibition held at the purpose built Crystal Palace in 1851. It was the ‘Millennium Dome’ of its era and it was almost inevitable that Sibthorp opposed the Exhibition for the stated reason that it was a ploy by Prince Albert to ‘bring even more of his hypocritical foreigners into the country.’ Sibthorp publicly prayed to God to destroy the Crystal Palace with hail or lightning. God’s response wasn’t recorded at the time, although ‘Humbug’ might well have been apt. In any event, the Crystal Palace was not destroyed before the Exhibition. Indeed, it survived the Exhibition, a relocation and decades of use until 1936 when it was destroyed by fire. The cause of the fire is unknown, but it would be unwise to discount the possibility that Sibthorp continued to badger God long after his death.
Throughout the building of the Crystal Palace, Sibthorp continued to rail against what he perceived as the iniquities of the forecasted foreign visitors. ‘Take care of your wives and daughters, take care of your property and your lives!,’ he warned the nation. He bemoaned the huge numbers of trees cut down to make way for the building, which he called ‘that palace of tomfoolery’ and the ‘unwholesome castle of glass.’ He saw the exhibition as a forerunner of national catastrophe arising from: the corruption of morals by hypocritical foreigners; the desecration of the Sabbath; political disunion; an increase in poverty; and national bankruptcy.
Of course, Sibthorp never visited the Exhibition himself but his fury grew at reports of poor country folk being inveigled into travelling to London to see it, pawning their clothes for the fare, and ending up naked, destitute and demoralised. He went so far as to declare in the House of Commons that Prince Albert was the instigator of a plot to overthrow the Empire. His words largely fell on deaf ears as the Exhibition was a great success, attracting people from every corner of Britain. Unlike the Millennium Dome.
A Prudent Fiscal Man
National bankruptcy became a particular obsession for Sibthorp and he opposed any unnecessary expense that Parliament put forward. He proposed that all British diplomats should work for no salary and that over-running projects such as the National Gallery be pulled down to spare further expense.
The Evils Of Steam
Another bone of contention for Sibthorp was the railway. Beginning with the announcement that he had no intention of ever riding in ‘the Steam Humbug’, he opposed all railway bills in principle and details. This ‘degrading form of transport’ would bring disasters from moral ruin to wholesale slaughter upon travellers. He was convinced that only one in ten railway accidents were publicised and he accused the railway companies of ‘private frauds and public robberies.’ He maintained until his death that railways were a mere flash in the pan, and that he was ‘of the decided opinion that these nefarious schemes would ere long appear before the public in their true light – that all the railway companies would be bankrupted and that the old and happy mode of travelling the turnpike roads, in chases, carriages and stages, would be restored.’
Sibthorp died in his London home in 1855, but was succeeded by his son Gervaise as MP for Lincoln.
Sibthorp is believed by many to be the inspiration for the character Lebedev in the classic Dostoyevsky work The Idiot. As the man himself may have remarked, ‘Humbug’.
I was listening to the Tory post mortum tonight, on the Ukip victory, this has shell shocked westminister, history has not witnessed anything quite like it, the donkey has suddenly become favorite in the race. Of course I loved the comments of Cameron and Cleg, so futile one might say, of course we accept they still hold the ranks of field marshals, yes they indeed do by point of fact, however the chummies forget the most important point, yes, you may still be the “Desert Foxes” however you no longer control orders over the “Panzers,” their fate has now fallen into very different hands. Chief Engineer Offizierkorps Pi Btl 3.
I was listening to the new Ukip councilors tonight, of course westminister thought they stupid, “Hardly” they were quick to analyse the concerns of the people a big bone of contention being “Pot Holes,” whilst the conservatives and labour have been in a decade of deabte on the issue, they identify the concerns within 24 hours. What would my advice be to Ukip, get on the with task at hand, get them filled, make shame on the tories and labour. sack the cliamte advisiors on the councils, rid yourselves of the parasites, cut the obese millage allowances in local government and the soical services, reduce the overtime, fat people sitting on their backsides eating “Pot Noddles” and drinking tea, cut the lottery winning slalaries, these a few ideas, show the electorate you are sincere, show the people there is more than enough “Tarmac” for everyone!
Great article by Peter Hitchens http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2013/05/its-too-late-to-say-youre-sorry-mr-slippery.html
Why should people of government be picked by HM that’s not democracy,
the people should have that right, and that right only.
I mistook what ward I was in and was disappointed to find when I got there, no UKIP candidate, only liblabcon and a green. So I spoiled my ballot.
I felt strangely ashamed as I walked out, sure that the polling staff realised what I’d done, like a naughty schoolboy. Very strange feeling.
I always go out of my way, when voting UKIP, to make it clear what I’m doing. Ditto when spoiling my vote.
I just had a quick fly over an F.O.I. article today, I wonder just how many Queens of england we have these day’s, Can’t help noting the disclosures in relation to John Dwyer a the new police comssioner, since taking up office in less than a year he’s blown £700,000 of tax payers cash, he’s hired a dozen workers to help him with the budget, clear he should not run his own company, obviously needs someone to do the sums for him, he’s axed 51 police officers, mind you on this point there are to many! But the most ironic thing of all he’s replaced them with any army of office staff, with no saving to the tax payer, he now stands accused of creating his own empire at the tax payers expense, making no proper savings, and acting like state Royality in public office. I wonder if farage will sack all police commissioners and spend the money on somehting worth while.
IanB, you SHOULD HAVE ANNOUNCED TO THE BASTARDS AT THE DESK, that “I am dissatisfied with the poor choice, both meagre and repellent, of candidates to vote for, so I have duly spoiled my ballot paper”.
You could have added, furthermore:-
“You people sitting there, with all the power you have, which is why you’re there (aged 18) and I’m not (aged 194), MUST DO BETTER THAN THIS, or there will be counter-revolution and it will be soon”…
…and walked out.
The perplexed horror on the faces of the various PPE-undergraduands personning the desk, would be marvellous to behold. It might even educate them, a tiny bit – you know! About life and reality and death, and that sort of thing, and “why we are here”.
By the way: why actually are we here?
Alfred the Great did think he had an inkling of a view. But nobody really listened, for nearly 800 years.
What you should have said Ian is where is democracy.
I haven’t been out much lately, so l decided to have four hours in the saddle, have a sore arse to say the least, l made to the Norfolk Coast which of course was the compass heading, not being in those parts for a while I thought god what gloom, do we need Ukip. Some of the worst holiday bookings for bank holiday weekend on record, had a chat with a few old fogies, seems businesses are hanging albeit on a thread of cotton to say the least, even beggers on the coast now, I thought I was off to the Nepolionic War, anyway, not being that familar with beggers, I though I’d stop for a chat, At first I thought, I now you crafty drug addict types you’ll try anything once to get a fix, but, no, not addicts, the latest bankrupt statistics of the welfare cuts. Such a similar story where ever one goes, anyway they were all out luck as I had no money either, apart from a £2.00 coin for an ice cream. But as I scanned the horizon, I could see no ice cream vans in sight, where had they gone. Then I remembered that Von Rumpy Pumpy man has brought in a new law, the Westminister boy’s must have sarted early, perhaps they want to impress their new EU masters, Yes, we certainly need a breath of Ukip, the sooner the better. And a good old Mr Softy.Perhaps we should errect some kind of memorial, It could say something like this.” In remembrance of all good fine men. including the ice cream man, alway’s remebered, sadly lost to EU red tape.” just like the rest of Britain.
It’s not far off. We might well see the bones of “Cave Men” on trial before
the British courts, with the almost, exhausted tax payer footing the legal
aid bill.Anything can happen these day’s.